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    The Sick Arab/Islamic Mentality
    Monday, August 21, 2006
    Every where I go, I hear of the Israeli aggression towards poor innocent arab palestinians. Well, there is a good discussion between a palestinian girl with an Iranian called Ali Sina, in which Sina makes very good points about Arab mentality. He shows very well how wrong it is to assume that palestinians and in fact arabs are the innocent players here.
    You can read it here. It is long so i didn't post it. :)
    posted by Roya @ 1:11 AM  
    48 Comments:
    • At 21/8/06 3:21 AM, Blogger Simon said…

      Interesting. Thanks for the link! Religion does do strange things to people.

       
    • At 21/8/06 6:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

      The fact that you are an atheist bigot is exposed by your headline.

      So Arabs have a sick mentality?

      Sounds to me like you are the one who is sick.

       
    • At 21/8/06 8:02 AM, Blogger Roya said…

      Dear anonymous arab,
      Nice to see you so angry. :)

       
    • At 21/8/06 8:32 AM, Blogger Stardust1954 said…

      roya - this love of people who are such oppressors of women, who still have barbaric ways and practices like stoning people to death for premarital sex and adultry, who train their tiny children to be suicide bombers, who put plastic "keys to heaven" on their children and wrap them in blankets so their body parts will stay in one place if they blow up when sent to comb mine fields is mind-boggling! I just don't understand it.

       
    • At 21/8/06 8:43 AM, Blogger Roya said…

      Stardust,
      It is interesting how anonymous showed his hatred of atheits in his first sentence.

      Instead of disproving claims made my Sina to change our mind, all he could have come up with was "Sounds to me like you are the one who is sick.". :)

       
    • At 21/8/06 8:53 AM, Blogger Stardust1954 said…

      roya- funny how anonymous commentors are always afraid to show themselves. Trolls!

       
    • At 22/8/06 12:18 AM, Blogger Steve said…

      quick question: between Palestine and Israel, which of the two has a country?

      follow up question: between Palestine and Israel, which has nuclear weapons?

      follow up follow up: between Palestine and Israel, which has their 'capitol' city on foreign occupation?

      To portray the weakest of the two parties as being the aggressors, without acknowledging the enormous power disparity between Palestinians and Israeli's, is intellectually dishonest.

      Support Israel all you want, but don't call the one with the air force the victim. ok?

       
    • At 22/8/06 2:40 AM, Blogger Roya said…

      quick question: between Palestine and Israel, which of the two has a country?

      Both, one which its existance is threatened and one which is about all of middle east. Actually the palestinians (arabs)have 20 something countries so it is not only one.

      (Hint, I don't count Kirkuk a country in occupation. Kurds in Kirkuk are part of the Kurdish people and not the Kirkukistan. So if we dont get the land, well they can move to other kurdish regions if they want to prosper.)


      "follow up question: between Palestine and Israel, which has nuclear weapons?'

      Israel. As they have not used it after all this wars shows that they are JUST DEFENSIVE otherwise if they were not, middle east would not have existed. The term AGGRESSIVE ISRAEL IS MEANINGLESS.

      "follow up follow up: between Palestine and Israel, which has their 'capitol' city on foreign occupation?"

      Neither. J is the capital city of Israel which is threatened. The capital city of arabs is mecca.

      Hint, Just as NY is not the capital city of Jews. :)

      "To portray the weakest of the two parties as being the aggressors, without acknowledging the enormous power disparity between Palestinians and Israeli's, is intellectually dishonest."

      Very funny. I'm sure you would have said the same if the Nazis were the weak power and the Jews were in power in Germany. Then any force used by jews to contain the THREAT of Nazis, would have been seen as AN ACT OF AGGRESSION by EXTREMIST LEFT. :)


      "Support Israel all you want, but don't call the one with the air force the victim. ok?"

      I DON"T THINK SO. AND I DON'T TAKE ORDERS. THIS IS MY BLOG.

       
    • At 22/8/06 5:31 AM, Blogger Stardust1954 said…

      "Support Israel all you want, but don't call the one with the air force the victim. ok?"

      Just because one has an air force doesn't mean it cannot be victimized and antagonized. Look at 911 for proof of that.

      Roya, I don't think these people will "see the light" till they are wearing burqas, and forced to bow on a prayer carpet towards Mecca 5 times a day. They refuse to see that this is the goal of islam. (just as it is the goal of xiantiy to convert us all to Jeebus.) We atheists are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

       
    • At 22/8/06 8:05 AM, Blogger Watcher said…

      Steve,

      Did you know that Arab "Palestinians" as a people came into being in 1964. Before that, they were simply known as Arabs who came from all over the region into British Mandate Palestine looking for jobs after Jews began purchasing some land from Ottoman owners and cultivating it.

      Palestine trivia: prior to 1947, it was the Jews who where known as Palestinians. Bet you didn't know that, eh?

      More trivia: PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) was formed in 1964 for the purpose obvious from its name. BUT... it had never tried to liberate "Palestinian" territories that were under the occupation of Jordan and Egypt, and had never demanded from them an independent state. Did you know that?

       
    • At 22/8/06 9:18 AM, Blogger Jordan said…

      Steven sums up the position of moral relativism fairly well.

      It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, it only matter who is weak and who is strong. The weak side, even if they read Mein Kampf to their kids at night, is the side the extreme left will support.

      Nobody rents Rocky to root for Appollo.

       
    • At 22/8/06 2:44 PM, Blogger Bacon Eating Atheist Jew said…

      Steve would have rooted for Appollo if he was a Muslim.

       
    • At 22/8/06 8:00 PM, Blogger beepbeepitsme said…

      I stay out of the Israeli/Palestinian debate as no one seems to be able to speak rationally on the subject, not even myself.

       
    • At 23/8/06 12:14 AM, Blogger Steve said…

      Jordan - "The weak side, even if they read Mein Kampf to their kids at night, is the side the extreme left will support."

      Thats my whole point Jordan. The weak are driven to radicalism. This is why the Treaty of Versaille helped produce Hitler.

      Im not asking anybody to "empower" terrorists, but if you can't see that the conditions on the ground help radicalize the population, then you are just sticking your head in the hole.

      Roya - Palestine is not a country. Even Bush admits that. How far to the right are you?

      What is this business about the extreme left anyway. Everybody hear keeps repeating that crap. I don't care what you label me, or anybody else, if its true its true. Its only extreme cause you don't agree with it, so tough.

      PS - I never said you couldn't say what you wanted on your blog. But your comments are thusfar free and public, so I am free to crtisize you. If you choose to end free speech on your blog, then do so, but don't complain about Muslims not supporting free societies.

      watcher - yes, I've heard all that stuff. Frankly its irrelevant. If Palestinians were really just Arabs, the other Arabs wouldn't have treated them like crap in Jordan and even Lebanon.

      The term "Arab" is a loose definition. Moroccans to Iraqi's are all Arab, but it is not necessarily a clear cut cultural or ethnic designation, particularly in parts of Africa.

       
    • At 23/8/06 12:23 AM, Blogger Steve said…

      BTW - stardust, I don't consider you an atheist, but a simple bigot. Don't give yourself so much credit.

      Disagreeing with religion, and hating people of a particular culture is VERY different.

      You only understand Islam and the Middle East from the outside in, and that's why you'll always be biased on this issue. You have to learn to think about your 'enemy' as they think of themselves.

      You are afraid to engage me without your little racist-possy here and that's fine, but as far as I'm concerned your true colors are out.

      You TALK about freedom, while you discuss a culture and people you despise. Hows THAT for hypocritical?

       
    • At 23/8/06 1:04 AM, Blogger Roya said…

      "You only understand Islam and the Middle East from the outside in, and that's why you'll always be biased on this issue. You have to learn to think about your 'enemy' as they think of themselves."

      What?!!! You were criticising me for using my first hand account on the issue (as an insider) and now YOU AN OUTSIDER talk about understanding the enemy as an insider?

      By the way, please refrain from name calling or you will be deleted.

       
    • At 23/8/06 4:40 AM, Blogger Jordan said…

      Steven - "Im not asking anybody to "empower" terrorists, but if you can't see that the conditions on the ground help radicalize the population, then you are just sticking your head in the hole."

      Has it ever occured to you that the Islamic world is weak BECAUSE of their radical ideology and not the other way around?

      And exactly how much oil money will it take for the poor (rich) and helpless (rich) Saudi Arabians to not want to blow up the twin towers? Or how much do middle-class Brittains need to be paid to be convinced not to blow up plains with liquad explosives? Where the recent British white converts being oppressed? Is that why they wanted to kill innocent citizens?

      You completely ignore the profile of terrorists to fit your mindset. You cannot bring it upon yourself to accept the fact that ideology, not circumstance, is what terrorists have in common.

      Steven, you can blame the Jews (jewish state) all you want on your blog for the creation of terrorists, at least post-48 terrorism (killing infidels in the past was pre-emptive attack against future zionism)... its not like the Jews haven't been scape-goated before. But this cowerdly approach to a crisis has NEVER fixed the underlining problem (black plague, german inflation) in the past and it will not work today.

      Do you ever wonder Steven how millions of Arabs/Muslims can look at the gang-rape and slaughtering in Darfur and think nothing of it while they march against the evil zionists? Its ideology, not circumstance.

       
    • At 23/8/06 8:16 AM, Blogger Jordan said…

      Another Jihad attack today in Zionist, er I meen Buddhist, Thailand:

      http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-08-21T102312Z_01_BKK296182_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SECURITY-THAILAND.xml&archived=False


      "The killing came days after leaflets were strewn around towns in Yala, one of three violence-plagued southern provinces, telling Buddhist to leave the predominantly Muslim areas...

      Buddhist Bangkok has tried a variety of ways to end the violence in the south, where 80 percent of the population are Muslim and ethnic Malay.

      It has sent in thousands of troops and promised millions of dollars in development aid, but the violence has persisted. Security analysts say there is no evidence to suggest foreign groups are involved."



      I wonder if Steven will villafy these Budhist in Thailand as aggressors? I mean, like the evil zionist, the Budhist are the majority and relatively wealthy so it must be their fault. They must deserve it, right?

      I guess those damn Budhist in Thailand have their head in the sands.

       
    • At 24/8/06 12:40 AM, Blogger Steve said…

      "By the way, please refrain from name calling or you will be deleted."

      Your blog, you delete who you want. Thing is, you can't define bigot however you want, that's set by the english language. The textbook definition is "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion." Now you tell me that what was stated here does not fulfill that definition.

      At best, you can argue its "ok to be a bigot sometimes" because of how bad some religions are, but logically speaking, the definition still holds. As an atheist, you do like logic, don't you?

      Jordan - I do not think Zionists are evil, nor do I think Israeli's are evil, nor do I think suicide attacks on Israel are justified. Furthermore, no attacks on Thailand are justified.

      I have said it before, and I will say it again, talking about the systemic causes of things like murder, does not imply SUPPORT of murder. Similarly, talking about the systemic causes of terrorism, should not and does not imply sympathy with the act itself.

      There are many cases where Israeli's have been unjustly attacked and murdered, and I have never suggested that this was ok. I have, however, pointed out that Israeli foreign policy is counterproductive, and ultimate breeds some of the very terrorism it claims to despise.

      Similarly, I question US foreign policy. So sue me.

      Jordan, you're like the parent of a kid who does drugs but is afraid to recognize their child has a problem.

       
    • At 24/8/06 3:02 AM, Blogger Roya said…

      "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."

      True. But this applies more to you.

      >>You<< are the one that whenever one asks you something that challenges your stance, you ignore the question. If you were an honest person, and answered other's questions then trust me if you could give a convincing point, others will change their mind.

      Just because others don't agree with you and are not happy with your annoying games, does not make them a bigot. IT MAKES YOU A BIGOT WHO IS INTOLERANT OF OTHERS STANCES.

       
    • At 24/8/06 8:39 AM, Blogger Jordan said…

      Ok Steven, please enlighten me what the underligning problem is in Thailand that results in a lot dead Budhhist.

      While you are at it, please explain the problems behind terrorist attacks in:

      - Indonesia
      - Phillapines
      - Canada
      - Spain
      - Argentinia
      - Nigeria

      And dozens of other countries.

      Face it Steven, there is only one factor that is consistant in the vast majority of terrorists attacks in the world: "killing in the name of Islam" as commanded by the literal text of the Quran and Hadith.

      But in a terrible act of scape-goating, you refuse to accept the facts on the grounds and blame the Jews for the creating of militant Islam. Anti-semitism is blaming the Jews for actions they are not responsible for and holding them to a higher standard than you would say... Muslims. Your consistent scape-goating is anti-semetic by practice, if not intent.

      What will it take Steven? If an Islamic terrorists group blows up enough Buddhist or Hindus in one location will you stop blaming the Jews and Americans and finally take a peak at the ideology that leads to cutting the heads off infidels?

      Which one of us is in denial about the what is going on? Which one of us has an addicted child?

      Oh, by the way, bernarda just stated that the vast majority of Jews in Israel are Nazis. "Your blog, you delete who you want." Something tells me you would not accept this type of bigotry against Muslims.

       
    • At 24/8/06 9:09 AM, Blogger Steve said…

      Jordan -
      "Anti-semitism is blaming the Jews for actions they are not responsible for and holding them to a higher standard than you would say... Muslims"

      Absolutely, I completely agree. The moment I blame the Jews for something, you are free to use that argument against me.

      Luckily for me, many Jews oppose the foreign policy of Israel. Noam Chomsky is the most prominant example. This is NOT a Jewish issue.

      "Something tells me you would not accept this type of bigotry against Muslims. "

      Not true. I have never censored ANYONE on my blog, including Bacon. Straw man argument here Jordan.

      I have to go to work, so I don't have time to go into the history of Thailand, but we can certainly do that later.

      Roya - It applies more to me? Fine. It shows me the weakness of your position that you have to go down to the style of argumentation I use rather than the evidence I've presented. I'm not intolerant of you as HUMAN BEINGS, I've disagreed with your position. You, by contrast, see no place in the modern world for Muslims. As a result, I believe the term best applies to you. A Bigot is not someone who strongly defends their position, but a persion who hates a group of people.

      I haven't ignored any questions, I'm debating 30 people here. If I replied to all of them, you'd accuse me of taking over your blog.

       
    • At 24/8/06 9:10 AM, Blogger Steve said…

      This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

       
    • At 24/8/06 12:38 PM, Blogger Jordan said…

      Steven - "Luckily for me, many Jews oppose the foreign policy of Israel. Noam Chomsky is the most prominant example. This is NOT a Jewish issue."

      Chomsky... everybody's favorite self-hating Jew.

      I am not critising you for critisizing Israel, every jew in the world critisizes Israel. But only anti-semites scape-goat Israel for the creation of militant Islam that afflicts Budhist, Hindus, Christians and most of all Muslims. You can find this idea on DavidDuke, Stormfront, and Digitally Aranged.

      Steven - "Not true. I have never censored ANYONE on my blog, including Bacon. Straw man argument here Jordan. "

      Really Steven? How often have you stood up to Bacon? LOTS OF TIMES! You have even asked me to take your side against Bacon's conduct and when appropriate, I certerainly have. And that is fine.

      But how often do you object to the jew-hatred, jew-nazi comparisons, and even death threats from bernarda and BDE? Never Steven.

      You consistently confront Islamic hatred while you stay dead silent on Jew hatred on the blog with your name on it. That is your policy. There is a reason why bigots like BDE find your blog such a comfortable forum and why every reasonable Jew (ChooseDoubt, etc..) are being driven away.

      Am I lying Steven?

       
    • At 24/8/06 4:13 PM, Blogger Jordan said…

      Steven - "I have to go to work, so I don't have time to go into the history of Thailand, but we can certainly do that later."

      You don't get what everybody is trying to say.

      I am sure you will find some type of direct or indirect "grievence" to justify or rationalize killing innocent Buddhist teachers in Thailand. And I am sure if you look hard enough you can find "grievences" to rationalize almost all Muslims vs Kafir violence.

      But your theory of "its everybodies fault except the guys who actually do the killing" breaks down when you factor in that EVERY culture, religion, and nation has at some point faced tragedy and adversity. But consistently, only one ideology finds it necessary to intentionally kill innocent civilians in just about every country that has a significant population subscribing to that ideology. It doesn't matter if they are rich or poor, the only common factor is devotion to the ideology.

      Fortinately, there are appeasers on the left believe that if you just give them everything they ask, blame others for their ideology, and look the other when they murder/subjegate their own civilians for values they believe in, everything will be fine. (ie gays for palestinian solidarity = suicide)

      What does the Islamic militant groups have to say or do for the extreme left to say "you know what, its not the jews, its not the americans, its you".

      What will it take for you Steven, to hold Muslims to the same standards you hold everybody else?

       
    • At 24/8/06 5:38 PM, Blogger Bacon Eating Atheist Jew said…

      Steven, 30 people aren't debating you here. You have a history of running from intelligent debate. On the other thread, you brought up the Ottomans, where no one was bringing them up. You replied to Watcher by saying he misspelled Koran. You either purposely didn't acknowledge the real point he was making. Either you are stupid or dishonest or both.

      On my blog, I asked you the same question once 4 times, and you refused to answer it.

      You are a coward.

      Jordan, CD isn't a Jew. And Stevens example of Chomsky is laughable. He takes a position that over 95% of Jews disagree with.

       
    • At 24/8/06 7:29 PM, Blogger Steve said…

      Bacon - as always, its a pleasure

      Jordan - "I am sure you will find some type of direct or indirect "grievence" to justify or rationalize killing innocent Buddhist teachers in Thailand"

      There is NO grievance which justifies the killing of innocent people, and I have never suggested as much. NOTHING the Israeli's have done justifies Hezbollah or Hamas.

      What I have stated is that Israel contributes to radicalism through policies which destabilize their neighbors, undermine their economies, and impoverish the general population.

      As for the global Muslim population, I think you've missed MY WHOLE POINT. Firstly, your argument, which is essentially "Muslims are the worst religion ever, and this is common sense" is not one ANY person who cares about scholarly debate, or honest discourse can say with any convinction.

      Islam was created under specific historical conditions, and the way in which it progressed and continued into the 'modern' era was in fact historically and politically explainable.

      Both Islam and Christianity have TERRIBLE verses in them which are indefensible. Muslims still practice some aspects of their religion which have been long dormant in things like Christianity.

      Why is that? I think the answer is in part how the Ottoman Empire collapsed, and how Muslim lands were carved up during the British and French mandates. This led to a failure to nationalize and an underlying emphases on religion first, and nation second (because those national identities didn't mean much... they were very artificial in the minds of the inhabitants of the British mandate). As a result, we see Muslims behaving in a manner not expressly national in character, rather RELIGIOUS in emphasis.

      I mean this not as an excuse but as a real historical and political cause. Discussing Islam as an ideology which must be destroyed is in fact ignorant.

      Islam will be with us in the foreseeable future. Unless you plan to hate a group of people in the world for the next 50 years, plan on adjusting your world view post, post-9/11 so that you can see beyond the immediate conflict.

      Jordan, and others, I bid you farewell. It is unfortunate this spritied debate led to no true understanding of either side.

       
    • At 24/8/06 9:43 PM, Blogger Bacon Eating Atheist Jew said…

      What does the way the land was carved up after the Ottoman empire fell have to do with Muslims killing Buddhists?

      You have basically spelled out that Muslims are a culture of intolerance and hate that still haven't gotten over land boundaries from 60-100 years ago.

       
    • At 24/8/06 11:14 PM, Blogger Jordan said…

      This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

       
    • At 24/8/06 11:19 PM, Blogger Jordan said…

      Steven - "What I have stated is that Israel contributes to radicalism through policies which destabilize their neighbors, undermine their economies, and impoverish the general population."

      I guess it was a mistake for Israel to try to drive the Arabs into the sea on five separate occasions... oh wait.

      I guess it was a mistake for Israel not to build universities, industries, educate the most PHDs in the Arab world, and give Palestinians jobs like Jordan and Egypt did when they were in control... oh wait.

      I guess it was a mistake for Israel to magically make 10 trillion dollars worth of Arab oil money disappear which could have been used to help build sustainable economies 50 times over... oh wait.

      How can you not see your statement as jew-hating dribble? Israel did everything they could to make Gaza and the West Bank the most prosperous economies in the Islamic world and before Arafat, they were. And yet, you not only ignore that you claim that the evil jews purposely tried to impoverish people. (you don't have to use the word evil, its implied)

      Steven - "Firstly, your argument, which is essentially "Muslims are the worst religion ever, and this is common sense" is not one ANY person who cares about scholarly debate, or honest discourse can say with any convinction."

      We cannot all be academic geniuses like yourself. But it is still possible for illiterates without conviction to look at the Islamic world (58 countries), examine their economies, human rights records, contributions to humanity, and refugee patterns and come to the obvious conclusion that the ideology these countries subscribe to are not producing acceptable results.

      Once we had the moral courage to stand up to another ideology that killed 100 million of its own citizens and enslaved 1/3rd of the planet into tyranny and poverty. Fortunately, communism never claimed to be divine so "racism" was not a factor.

      Steven - "Both Islam and Christianity have TERRIBLE verses in them which are indefensible."

      Which one has more? ALOT MORE? So much more that to even compare the two is to demonstrate the worst type of intellectual dishonesty?

      Steven - "I think the answer is in part how the Ottoman Empire collapsed, and how Muslim lands were carved up during the British and French mandates. "

      I keep forgetting that prior to WWI, Islam was a peaceful religion complete with women's rights, intellectual pursuits, and a dedication to pluralism. Do you ever find it tough to rationalize killing in the name of Islam when there is no evil colonist empire to blame?

      Steven - "Unless you plan to hate a group of people in the world for the next 50 years, plan on adjusting your world view post, post-9/11 so that you can see beyond the immediate conflict."

      Your right. Instead of confronting terrorist attacks with honesty we should appease, appease, appease. That's the opposite of hate, right? If we just give them Chekeslovakia, er, I mean Israel, the militants will see the error of their ways and embrace pluralism, human rights, and democracy.

      I am sure that will work.

      Perhaps Steven, the more effective strategy is to confront radical ideology head on instead of making excuses, er... I mean "causes" to rationalize carrying out horrible attacks. By your standards, if it was 6 million Muslims instead of the Jews who burned in the holocaust, do you honestly believe that German schools and buses would not be blow up to this day? I mean, your "causes" to excuse terror are 40 years older than the holocaust, and yet, German pizza parlors were never suicide bombed. Not then, not now.

      Do you acknowledge, honestly, that you hold Muslims to a lower standard than you hold Jews, Budhist, and Christians?

      Do you think the average Muslim appreciates your willingness to treat them like delinquent children instead of human beings?

       
    • At 25/8/06 12:24 AM, Blogger Steve said…

      "How can you not see your statement as jew-hating dribble?"

      Jordan, NOT ALL ISRAELIS ARE EVEN JEWISH. You've stated that yourself. Its one of your key points in talking about it as a tolerant state. HOW THEN, is my criticism of Israeli foreign policy, a condemnation of JEWS as a religion/race?

      You can't have it both ways. Is Israel a nation, or is it a theocracy. Make up your mind, and allow me to critisize a NATION state.

      I critisize American foreign policy Jordan, does that mean I hate myself as an American? If anything I'm a better Israeli than you because I care enough about the country to try and improve it.

      "I guess it was a mistake for Israel to try to drive the Arabs into the sea on five separate occasions... oh wait."

      Firstly, not every arab in the world hates Jews. Sorry to break it to you. Not every Arab supported the wars in 67 and 48, and not every arab alive today was alive then.

      If you were talking about someone who was black, or mexican, or any other race but Arab, what you said would be considered racist. Somehow, you manage to portray it as humanitarian, I don't know how.

      "Which one has more? ALOT MORE? So much more that to even compare the two is to demonstrate the worst type of intellectual dishonesty?"

      Please, buddy, I doubt you've read the Bible in its entirity, and I doubt you've read the Qur'an in its entirity. The Bible is bad enough to get a Spanish Inquisition, and many Catholics were willing to hide Nazi war criminals during the Holocaust. Wake up and stop holding Christianity on an undeserved pedestal.

      "Instead of confronting terrorist attacks with honesty we should appease, appease, appease"

      So let me get this straight, not bombing innocent civilians is appeasement?

      "Do you think the average Muslim appreciates your willingness to treat them like delinquent children instead of human beings? "

      No they MUCH prefer your method, which is so very respectful of their humanity.

      "If we just give them Chekeslovakia, er, I mean Israel, the militants will see the error of their ways and embrace pluralism, human rights, and democracy."

      Ok you're doing it again Jordan. There's a HUGE difference between opposing Nazi Germany, and opposing the RACE of Arabs, and the RELIGION of Islam. One is a political power in a nation state, and the other is a race and or creed.

      THROUGHOUT your posts Jordan you interchangably talk about nation states and religion, and act as if standing up to Islam is no different that World War II, that fighting the Nazi's is fighting Islam, that the 48 war is being fought out in 2006, blah blah blah.

      The only Jew hater here is you, because you seem to want to perpetuate conflict in the Middle East.

       
    • At 25/8/06 2:26 AM, Anonymous bernarda said…

      steve, I have tried to post against the racist zionist fanaticism of this blog--which pretends to be atheist--but the judeo-nazi true believer of this site refuses to engage in debate.

      Heil Israel!

       
    • At 25/8/06 3:03 AM, Blogger Roya said…

      bernarda, you have not engaged in debates, you only name call people. If you had tried make an argument like steve, I would not have deleted your posts.

      I don't agree with steve but atleast he argues his points which I wellcome.

       
    • At 25/8/06 12:06 PM, Blogger Jason H. Bowden said…

      Steve, how old are you, 16? Do you think you're enlightened because you read Chumpsky and other high schoolers do not?

      We don't see Buddhists flying airplanes into skyscrapers in Shanghai over the occupation in Tibet. We don't see Cubans resisting Castro by strapping bombs to their kids. We don't see illegal immigrants trying to get amnesty by blowing themselves up in pizzerias.

      *Religion* is what makes Muslim fundies do what they do, not your ridiculous master narrative of Western evil and imperialism, otherwise known as the Cold War to people on this side of the Iron Curtain.

      In fact, that Muslim fundies start fights with nations stronger than them believing that Allah will carry the day for them is proof of their fanaticism, not proof that they're some sort of victims that need to be cuddled, loved, provided that they receive the proper liberal therapy, of course.

       
    • At 27/8/06 7:42 AM, Anonymous bernarda said…

      "bernarda, you have not engaged in debates, you only name call people."

      yeah, like when you censored my first post where I argued my point.

      "The Sick Arab/Islamic Mentality" is not name-calling I suppose. It is a measured logical argument.

      David Green, aka Ben-Gurion,

      "Everything we are as Jews, including our drive occasionally to grope beyond traditional bounds, comes directly from the Bible. In size we are nothing as a people and never have been. Had we not been children of the Book, who would have heard of us? We should be lucky to occupy a mere footnote in history. As things stand, a large part of history is our doing."

      "From the Bible, therefore, stems Jewish man's concept of himself, an image he has passed on to the whole of western civilization through the daughter religions of Islam and Christianity."

      So how can an atheist believe in zionism? As Nietszche said, the only thing Europe had to reproach the jews for is that they gave us xtianity.

       
    • At 27/8/06 1:31 PM, Blogger Jason H. Bowden said…

      bernarda--

      Nietzsche was a douche-bag, and it makes me cringe to see anybody refer to him in a positive light.

      His philosophy consists of rants about the Jewification of Europe, preaching of the Aryan race, celebratation of Macht politics, and obsession about breeding and extermination.

      Writers recruit Nietzsche to give cover for abortion, homosexuality, drugs, prostitution and so forth. However, Nietzsche would have nothing to do with trivial matters of identity politics -- his concern was with more progressive matters like conquest, rape, torture, plunder, and domination, with a nice touch of misogyny added on top.

      The guy wasn't a mildly morose Voltaire who wanted to tolerate all perspectives, and you can't blame his sister that he became the Reich's official philosopher. It seems quite obvious how that happened given the superman, the will to power, and other doctrines Nietzsche espoused.

       
    • At 27/8/06 8:50 PM, Blogger Jordan said…

      Steven, I did not want to play this game any more but I just found the words to counter your ideology from an unlikely source... HAMAS!

      http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525954624&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

      ...Hamad said the "culture of life" that prevailed in the Strip has since been replaced with a nightmare. "Life became a nightmare and an intolerable burden," he said. "Today I ask myself a daring and frightening question: 'Why did the occupation return to Gaza?' The normal reply: 'The occupation is the reason.'"

      Dismissing Israel's responsibility for the growing state of anarchy and lawlessness in the Gaza Strip, Hamad said it was time for the Palestinians to embark on a soul-searching process to see where they erred.

      "We're always afraid to talk about our mistakes," he added. "We're used to blaming our mistakes on others. What is the relationship between the chaos, anarchy, lawlessness, indiscriminate murders, theft of land, family rivalries, transgression on public lands and unorganized traffic and the occupation? We are still trapped by the mentality of conspiracy theories - one that has limited our capability to think."

      ...

      "We have all been attacked by the bacteria of stupidity," he remarked. "We have lost our sense of direction and we don't know where we're headed."

      ----------------------------

      I won't poor salt on the wound and even mention what Lebaneze (even the Shiats) bloggers have been saying about their wonderful "resistance"... not to mention todya's apology from Hezbollah. It sucks when not even terrorists organizations buy into your ideology of "its all about repression" and strive for self-responsibility instead.

      Oh, but please lay off "stop using the racist words Jew and Arab" nonsense... unless of course you are trying to satarize political correctness extremesm. For g-ds sake, if wikepedia can say refer to Arab Jewish wars, so can you.

      Now if you excuse me, I am going to protest the racist apartheid "right of return" of... the Irish. I mean, is Ireland a democracy or a theocracy?! (same goes for Japan and lots of other developed countries)

       
    • At 28/8/06 7:24 AM, Blogger Watcher said…

      Steve,

      You said: "I've heard all that stuff. Frankly its irrelevant. If Palestinians were really just Arabs, the other Arabs wouldn't have treated them like crap in Jordan and even Lebanon.

      The term "Arab" is a loose definition. Moroccans to Iraqi's are all Arab, but it is not necessarily a clear cut cultural or ethnic designation, particularly in parts of Africa."



      Why all of a sudden it's irrelevant? Arabs treat Arabs like crap everywhere. Take the 1960's civil war in Yemen for example. One of the major outside players in this war was Egypt who gassed and massacred entire Yemeni villages there.

      Oh and BTW, Arabs who called themselves Palestinians have been treated like crap not only in Jordan and Lebanon but everywhere else - Egypt, Tunis, Kuwait, Syria, Yemen and now Iraq.

      And who told you that "Moroccans to Iraqi's are all Arab"? This is absolutely not true. In the Arab world (and Muslims world in general), there's a very clear distinction between Arabs and non-Arabs. For instance, in Mauritania, Arabs are being sidelined by the Maure majority. And Jordan isn't exactly and Arab country either, it's being ruled by the minority Berbers, despite the fact that 75% of its population are Arabs.

       
    • At 28/8/06 7:30 AM, Blogger Stardust1954 said…

      Steve, you are good at name-calling, finger-pointing and question-dodging while we sit here waiting for your divine political solutions to the problems of the middle east. If you are so adamently opposed to what has been done in the past, you surely must have some great solutions to present to us for thoughtful consideration (and I don't mean history lessons, more finger pointing and non-productive blaming...I am talking about where we go FROM HERE AND NOW -- most of us here know the textbook history and don't need your further textbook history lessons.) Also, others are waiting for answers to other questions asked of you. As I have said before, if you, Steve have all of the CORRECT and PERFECT solutions for how all of the various sects of islam can get along, and how they can stop hating the infidels and allow us all to live in happiness and harmony, I am sure that the world is anxious to hear what you have to say.

       
    • At 28/8/06 12:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

      Steven;

      Why bother posting here?

      These people are steeped in their hatred. Don't waste your time.

      BDE

       
    • At 28/8/06 1:18 PM, Blogger Stardust1954 said…

      anonymous...you are using the same tactics and Steve. Do you wish to just hand over all western culture to islam? Because that is what they want. You say that we here on this discussion board hate...which is absolutely not true. We are just concerned when people are looking forward to the "end of times" and the "victory" of allah and islam. This is the ultimate goal of islam.

      Anonymous...like I asked Steve...what is your divine recommendations bringing a peaceful resolution to the conflicts in the middle east? Do you really believe if we sit passively by that the people of islam will just go about their lives in peace? Or will they just keep warring and killing each other? The world is waiting for your perfect and genius solution. (Again...no history lesson...where do we go from here?)

       
    • At 29/8/06 12:36 AM, Anonymous bernarda said…

      Jason obviously has never read Nietszche and he hasn't a clue. Is he the same Jason that is always posting xtian claptrap on various blogs?

       
    • At 29/8/06 9:13 AM, Blogger Stardust1954 said…

      bernarda - How is whether Jason here is an atheist or an xian relevant to this discussion?

       
    • At 29/8/06 5:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

      stardust

      live and let live

      it is not Muslims invading Xtian lands these days but Xtians invading Muslim lands, how does one think Muslims should react? they should just let themselves be killed in the name of "democracy"

      I don't think so

      you have no proof that ALL MUSLIMS want to enslave the rest of the world. that is just the justification you use to hate them

       
    • At 31/8/06 3:53 AM, Blogger Roya said…

      Berbarda,
      "it is not Muslims invading Xtian lands these days but Xtians invading Muslim lands, how does one think Muslims should react? they should just let themselves be killed in the name of "democracy""

      Really? So what do you call 9/11 US, 3/11 Spain, 7/7 UK and the like?

      "you have no proof that ALL MUSLIMS want to enslave the rest of the world. that is just the justification you use to hate them."

      No one said all muslims. We said the majority and there are pols to support such claims. look it up on the internet.

       
    • At 1/8/08 1:23 PM, Blogger Islamic Mentality said…

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    • At 1/8/08 1:24 PM, Blogger Islamic Mentality said…

      An atheist knows that there is no god but Allah.
      She wants that; after her dead she believes Him!
      But that time is to late for her!

       
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